Re: [hylafax-users] new community site

[Bill Binko <bill-sender-4b2fd6@xxxxxxxxx>]

Scott,

This is one of the more important threads on this list.  If Lee Howard 
moves to the sourceforge list your support level will fall dramatically.

The fact that these two groups have reached an impass is an excellent 
reason to have the debate in public so that other impacted users (like you 
and me) can share ideas an try to get a consensus.

I understand that you're tired of the topic: however that is easily 
solved.  Everyone on this thread has continued to use the subject "new 
community site" and I'm sure that that trend will continue.  Since you use 
Outlook, you can stop seeing this very easily:

1) Right click on this message in your list of mail items
2) Choose "Create Rule"
3) Check Subject Contains and leave the default "[hylafax-users] New 
community site"
4) Check "Move Email to..." and choose Trash.

Glen, I'll be happy to provide similar instructions for your mail client 
if you need them.

Bill

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 scott@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

> 
> Just thought I would pass Glen's email along to the list so that others
> (both sides?) can see his reply.
> Personally, I think it is valid.
> 
> 
> Original Message follows:
> 
>   I have to agree. I'm really getting tired of reading about this. I know
> all about project politics, having many projects of my own to deal with. I
> have to ask that you guys take it to an IRC debate or atleast over to a
> devel list. You DO have one don't you? After all, this _is_ mostly about the
> development/management of development of HylaFAX and not the usage. :P 
> 
>    The discussions I've seen so far have only cluttered the user list and I
> for one don't really care about your arguments over who's going to control
> what. I have to deal with that kind of stuff during my own day-to-day
> dealings and I really don't want to read about yours on a supposed "help"
> list.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:hylafax-users-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Bishop - Personal
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:40 PM
> > To: 'Lee Howard'; 'Darren Nickerson'
> > Cc: hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx; hylafax-devel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] new community site
> > 
> > I'm only a listener on this forum who is looking for tips and tricks and
> > solutions on my HylaFAX product, so my comments may mean nothing to anyone
> > but myself... and maybe not even much to me. ;)
> > 
> > I love HylaFAX as a product, but it seems that politics have taken over.
> > In saying that I am not taking sides because I realize that there are
> > always
> > three sides to every story (yours, mine, and somewhere in the middle is
> > the
> > truth unmarred by our perceptions).
> > Because I don't know the facts of all of this discussion, I'll refrain
> > from
> > even attempting to take sides.
> > 
> > I am however a user of a product that many people have helped with, had
> > hands in, spent time on, etc.
> > I enjoy that product.
> > What I don't enjoy is the number of emails that I have received on a daily
> > basis because of the political environment that has now crawled to the
> > surface.
> > 
> > I know that both sides will feel justified in responding to me to either
> > win
> > me over to their side or to defend their position of why this topic has to
> > go on for so long. May I be frank? I don't really care all that much, so
> > I'm
> > not going to spend much more time with it.
> > 
> > However, may I make a plea to both sides?
> > Can this topic be discussed outside of this forum?
> > Is that too much to ask now that it has gone back and forth for so long
> > and
> > no resolution seems to be forthcoming?
> > I doubt that I speak only for myself; though my voice is the only one I
> > would lay claim to.
> > Yes, I know that this forum is intended for all things HylaFAX. And, you
> > may
> > decide that this includes all of this political crap along with all the
> > other stuff. And, if you decide that then you won't get any argument from
> > me. I'll simply unsubscribe to the list. No, I don't think this will hurt
> > your feelings in the least. In the short-term it will only hurt me because
> > I
> > won't be able to see the other topics that go into this forum. In the
> > long-term may I suggest that it, along with many others who may also be
> > unsubscribing or considering it for their own reasons, may hurt HylaFAX
> > after all only to the degree that we may find ourselves out looking for
> > another solution.
> > 
> > Yes, I realize that all "companies" (feel free to include OSS development
> > teams here) end up having political debates from time to time. I just
> > don't
> > happen to agree that one without a resolution should go on for so long to
> > the detriment of what everyone else on this list is actually looking for.
> > 
> > So, there's my rant... if you choose to call it that... and my request to
> > find a way to play nicely in the sandbox with everyone else or at least
> > get
> > out of the sandbox and have your fight behind the tree where no one else
> > has
> > to deal with it.
> > 
> > Flame on... I can take it... until I unsubscribe... then... well... flame
> > on
> > more I suppose.
> > 
> > Cheers.
> > 
> > And, thank you to all who kindly deleted this email realizing that it
> > wasn't
> > intended for them anyway and was just one more email on this topic that
> > they
> > had to put up with.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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