Re: [hylafax-users] new community site

["Glen Batchelor" <webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

 Oops, sorry for the reply error. I'm used to mailing lists that have a
reply-to address of the list. ;)

Glen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:hylafax-users-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of scott@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 2:11 PM
> To: hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx; hylafax-devel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] new community site
> 
> 
> Just thought I would pass Glen's email along to the list so that others
> (both sides?) can see his reply.
> Personally, I think it is valid.
> 
> 
> Original Message follows:
> 
>   I have to agree. I'm really getting tired of reading about this. I know
> all about project politics, having many projects of my own to deal with. I
> have to ask that you guys take it to an IRC debate or atleast over to a
> devel list. You DO have one don't you? After all, this _is_ mostly about
> the
> development/management of development of HylaFAX and not the usage. :P
> 
>    The discussions I've seen so far have only cluttered the user list and
> I
> for one don't really care about your arguments over who's going to control
> what. I have to deal with that kind of stuff during my own day-to-day
> dealings and I really don't want to read about yours on a supposed "help"
> list.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:hylafax-users-
> > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Bishop - Personal
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:40 PM
> > To: 'Lee Howard'; 'Darren Nickerson'
> > Cc: hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx; hylafax-devel@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] new community site
> >
> > I'm only a listener on this forum who is looking for tips and tricks and
> > solutions on my HylaFAX product, so my comments may mean nothing to
> anyone
> > but myself... and maybe not even much to me. ;)
> >
> > I love HylaFAX as a product, but it seems that politics have taken over.
> > In saying that I am not taking sides because I realize that there are
> > always
> > three sides to every story (yours, mine, and somewhere in the middle is
> > the
> > truth unmarred by our perceptions).
> > Because I don't know the facts of all of this discussion, I'll refrain
> > from
> > even attempting to take sides.
> >
> > I am however a user of a product that many people have helped with, had
> > hands in, spent time on, etc.
> > I enjoy that product.
> > What I don't enjoy is the number of emails that I have received on a
> daily
> > basis because of the political environment that has now crawled to the
> > surface.
> >
> > I know that both sides will feel justified in responding to me to either
> > win
> > me over to their side or to defend their position of why this topic has
> to
> > go on for so long. May I be frank? I don't really care all that much, so
> > I'm
> > not going to spend much more time with it.
> >
> > However, may I make a plea to both sides?
> > Can this topic be discussed outside of this forum?
> > Is that too much to ask now that it has gone back and forth for so long
> > and
> > no resolution seems to be forthcoming?
> > I doubt that I speak only for myself; though my voice is the only one I
> > would lay claim to.
> > Yes, I know that this forum is intended for all things HylaFAX. And, you
> > may
> > decide that this includes all of this political crap along with all the
> > other stuff. And, if you decide that then you won't get any argument
> from
> > me. I'll simply unsubscribe to the list. No, I don't think this will
> hurt
> > your feelings in the least. In the short-term it will only hurt me
> because
> > I
> > won't be able to see the other topics that go into this forum. In the
> > long-term may I suggest that it, along with many others who may also be
> > unsubscribing or considering it for their own reasons, may hurt HylaFAX
> > after all only to the degree that we may find ourselves out looking for
> > another solution.
> >
> > Yes, I realize that all "companies" (feel free to include OSS
> development
> > teams here) end up having political debates from time to time. I just
> > don't
> > happen to agree that one without a resolution should go on for so long
> to
> > the detriment of what everyone else on this list is actually looking
> for.
> >
> > So, there's my rant... if you choose to call it that... and my request
> to
> > find a way to play nicely in the sandbox with everyone else or at least
> > get
> > out of the sandbox and have your fight behind the tree where no one else
> > has
> > to deal with it.
> >
> > Flame on... I can take it... until I unsubscribe... then... well...
> flame
> > on
> > more I suppose.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > And, thank you to all who kindly deleted this email realizing that it
> > wasn't
> > intended for them anyway and was just one more email on this topic that
> > they
> > had to put up with.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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