[hylafax-devel] Re: Pep talk

[Robert Colquhoun <rjc@trump.net.au>]

At 01:10 AM 7/31/00 -0400, Darren Nickerson wrote:

>Okay folks,
>
>If we're going to remain credible (and this software truly warrants
>credibility) then we need to get a release out the door. The current state of
>the nation is now officially embarrassing.

Strong words...

(...do not worry too much about credible/shame/embarrassment/and generally 
what other people think of you, things work much better if you rely on 
internal measures for whether what you are doing is right or wrong...you 
will live to be much older ;-).

>  Yes, the CVS code is "quite good".
>But we can't yet recommend people use it, except for those running Linux . 
>. .
>which means we've got HUNDREDS of people downloading 4.0pl2 and striking out
>ALL THE TIME. Believe me, I hear from many of them :-( Flat on their faces,
>with not a hope in hell of building that puppy.

The current CVS is pretty much ok for a beta release - it should work on 
most platforms.

>Please can we identify the stumbling blocks, and then set to work on 
>resolving
>them?? Until we can point people to the new release it's just our little
>secret.

Just apply the rest of Dmitry's patches and release - i can do this to CVS 
but i don't have time to test them beyond compiling, meaning possibly the 
CVS code could be broken.

>Should I ask the -users readership to hammer on the current CVS and report
>their findings? How can we attract more developers into the community?

Attracting developers is hard especially to mature software(ie ugly 
software that somehow implements most of the functionality ;-).  As a 
personal thing i think hylafax could be made easier to use, much easier to 
use - that hopefully would increase the number of people who can run the 
software which in turn attracts developers.

>Any and all suggestions welcome.
>
>Robert? Tim? Are you guys in any way able to drive the process forward
>code-wise? Phil?

Could if i had the time....i can add Dmitrys patches to the cvs if someone 
else is willing to test them....then package up the result as beta3.

>How about updates to the WWW site to encourage people to try
>the beta, or even better the CVS (or cut a new beta). Perhaps I should
>rearrange the FTP site to make the 4.1 release more obvious?

Again as a personal thing i would like if you would rearrange the ftpsite - 
i prefer if the 4.1 versions are the same directory as the 4.0 counterparts 
ie 4.1beta2 source is in the same directory as 4.0pl2 source, 4.1beta2 
rpm's in the same directory as 4.0pl2 rpms.

- Robert



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