Re: [hylafax-users] new community site

["Darren Nickerson" <darren.nickerson@xxxxxxxx>]

Interesting news Lee, thanks.

Personally I would prefer, if you wish to divide the community, that you 
would do so under completely different branding and a different name, so as 
to avoid confusion. I'm also disappointed that you didn't involve the 
hylafax-devel mailing list (or community) in your plans in a cooperative, 
collaborative way. I can hope that you have at least consulted most of the 
principal contributors privately.

iFAX Solutions is not desirous of heeavily commercializing the hylafax.org 
domain. It's important for us to be very distinct from hylafax.org in fact, 
which is why you don't see any big flashing banners on hylafax.org, and 
which is why ifax.com looks nothing like hylafax.org. What little we have 
done was been no more than what Sourceforge will also do - the occasional 
sponsored link. I believe we have been very tasteful and respectful, and 
every time we have made major changes (such as the wiki) they have been 
discussed on -devel, and decided by group discussion and concensus. The 
reason we do this is the same reason Sourceforge do it - to help pay for the 
bandwidth, the disk space, and the staff to 'make it all go'.

We're still thinking through the implications of your surprising action, but 
just to be clear, hylafax.org has been the home of open source HylaFAX for 
years, and we believe that should continue to be the case. We, and the 
various hylafax contributors who help hylafax.org keep running, hope the 
community will remain with us.

-Darren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Howard" <faxguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: [hylafax-users] new community site


> Everyone,
>
> I've spent some time over the last few weeks and now believe that I have 
> got everything set up well at the Sourceforge HylaFAX site:
>
>  http://hylafax.sourceforge.net
>
> I've updated the content of the web pages, including the How-To, and I've 
> removed some other content that I felt had become so outdated that the 
> information would be better off gone than left in-place. I've also made an 
> effort to simplify the site... making it easier for newcomers (who are 
> probably the ones that need most to use the site) to navigate and get to 
> information useful to them.  I have not yet finished updating the HylaFAQ, 
> as I imagine that it will take a fair amount of time to clean that up 
> (content as well as fixing some link names and things).
>
> I've also started uploading "sub-releases" to the Sourceforge HylaFAX 
> site.  My thoughts behind sub-releases are to simply label a cut of CVS 
> HEAD at regular, frequent (like every month during periods of "heavy" 
> development) as a sub-release and hang it up on there.  The intent of this 
> is to increase exposure to new developments and fixes in the code without 
> needing to battle through the sometimes lengthy release process.
>
> Why have I set up the Sourceforge HylaFAX site?
>
> Truthfully, it's an act of mercy.  The hylafax.org domain registrant is 
> desireous, as you may well be able to tell, to use the domain for 
> commercial purposes.  This is the registrant's right.  The recent 
> announcement of a sponsored site reworking will likely only result in 
> further commercialization.  In the past I have been very much opposed to 
> this trend, and it has caused too much friction.  Certainly we should be 
> able to understand the registrant's desire to profit from the investment 
> that has been made and the rather lustrous community that has sprung up 
> around it.  I can understand that, and my hope, then, is that the 
> existence of the Sourceforge HylaFAX site will allow the hylafax.org 
> registrant to proceed without any further complaints from me.
>
> The Sourceforge HylaFAX site has its own set of mailing lists, and I 
> invite any who wish to participate in the HylaFAX community there to feel 
> free to so do.  I'm there, of course.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lee.
>
> P.S. Admittedly there still will be some degree of usual Sourceforge 
> advertisement going on at the new site, which includes a small footer to 
> mailing list posts (similar to what's done on this list) and banner-ads on 
> some "behind-the-scenes" web pages (like the Tracker).  I'm not able to 
> change this; however, it is limited to that extent.
>
>
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