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Darren, Not sure if you sold us the ISI Modem (per Lee's recommedation) the other day (to jeff at RDN), but we got it in today and it's working great. We got rid of our crappy USR 5610s. They happened to be causing the majority of the problems. Along the lines of vonage, we are currently in testing with a few customers. We have 4 (on the 4 port ISI) modems all on vonage. I know Lee warned against using vonage, but today with the new ISI card we sent 94 faxes, and 2 got errors. We have these errors bounce back to the customer over email, and they can easily resend their fax. It isn't critical that the fax they queue with us necessarily goes through, as long as they know that it didn't and they can resend from within our webapp. Tomorrow we will roll out to all customers -- and we can expect the 94 faxes to easily quadruple. If we see the same number of sent to error ratio, we should be around ~98% deliverable. In this setup, we are getting free long distance for $xx.xx/month. With the limited testing we have had, vonage is working decently, and *we* can live with the occasional error. However, i can understand if one cannot live with the occasional error, and you *will* see them with vonage. I will report back in the future after this thing has been wrung out if people want to hear my experience with vonage + hylafax. We are only sending faxes, and we guess the final amount to be around 500+ a day. If it matters, we are using the 2 port linksys -> vonage adapters (http://www.vonage.com/products_linksys.php). This is a bit different than the one I use at home (for VoIP) which doesn't have the network interfaces on it, and is considerably smaller. This may have newer firmware (although I have not seen anything about T.38) and react better to faxing. We also have turned each phone line in vonage's web app up to 90kbps since we can spare the b/w at our data center. Either way, vonage does seem to be working, but rest assured, we are keeping a close eye on its performance. YMMV, --Eric -----Original Message----- From: hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:hylafax-users-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Darren Nickerson Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:49 PM To: Lee Howard; Peter Halliday Cc: hylafax-users@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [hylafax-users] MultiTech ISI card failure "Lee Howard" <faxguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > If Vonage has somehow indicated to you that these VoIP lines are usable > with fax, then I suggest that you contact them and tax their customer > support resources until you feel inclined to get PSTN lines. It took them awhile to come out and say it, but for awhile now Vonage have certified their service for faxing over VoIP using their ATAs which do not, as far as I know, do T.38. See: http://www.vonage-promotion.com/features_fax.php http://www.vonage.com/help_knowledgeBase_article.php?article=326 We've spoken to a surprisingly large number of customers in the past 6 months or so who have either tried it, or plan to. Of those who _have_ tried it, most experience intermittent and unpredictable errors as one would expect. In many cases, they're 'happy enough' with the reliability to keep using it. Guess it beats faxing with the ole' USR in Class 2 they used to be saddled with! ;-) -Darren -- Darren Nickerson Senior Sales & Support Engineer iFAX Solutions, Inc. www.ifax.com darren.nickerson@xxxxxxxx +1.215.438.4638 x8106 +1.215.243.8335 (fax) ____________________ HylaFAX(tm) Users Mailing List _______________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe, click http://lists.hylafax.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi On UNIX: mail -s unsubscribe hylafax-users-request@xxxxxxxxxxx < /dev/null *To learn about commercial HylaFAX(tm) support, mail sales@xxxxxxxxx* ____________________ HylaFAX(tm) Users Mailing List _______________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe, click http://lists.hylafax.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi On UNIX: mail -s unsubscribe hylafax-users-request@xxxxxxxxxxx < /dev/null *To learn about commercial HylaFAX(tm) support, mail sales@xxxxxxxxx*