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Thinking more about the problem, it strikes me that maybe this is effectively just an EOP problem as well? After all if the fax machine never gets an EOP then what will it do? If its an older fax machine then it might be that it gives up and just says its out of paper as its logic can't handle it, and the fax machine I've been having trouble with is an older model. I've now resolved the margin problem but can I make an appeal that when the documentation is revisited can we have some examples for the configuration directives? It makes life a lot easier and shouldn't take that long. If its any help then I can have a go at providing some for the bits I've had problems with. Just ask. Thanks for the help from some members of the list. david reid <snip> > > > > > > > > Has anyone come across a problem where after sending a fax the > receiving > > > fax machine stalls saying that its out of paper? This seems to happen > > > about 1 in 3 times that a fax is sent to a particular machine. > > > > In the absence of any evidence to the contrary I'd assume that it was out > > of paper or had a misfeed! > >