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> I am still wondering, as a prior list poster did - what exactly is so > problematic about making computer faxmodems behave as interoperably as $30 > fax machines which have a printer, scanner, modem, and a self-contained > power supply? Could it be possible that the R&D and Engineering teams of Fujitsu, Canon, HP, Epson are larger and better funded than those of ZyXEL, USR, Hayes, MultiTech? Consider for a moment ... whereas a modem manufacturer sells the modem in a single transaction and never sees the customer again, the printer/scanners you mention above are widely accepted as loss-leaders. The real money's in the ink cartridges and other consumables! I don't know what the average cost of a multifunction device is over its useful lifetime, but it's one helluva lot more than $30. That's money that can go back into R&D. Analog modem manufacturers have traditionally presented the market with data modems. The fax capability, then the voice capability ... these were "also has" bonus features. When you get down into commodity pricing, there's not much of a budget for fixing "minor" firmware problems ... and many of these were primarily data devices anyway, serving as dial-in workhorses at mom & pop ISPs all over the world. It's not that the R&D teams of these companies didn't realize there were problems and want to fix them ... there just wasn't any commercial incentive to do so, and therefore no budget for it. An additional complication, highlighted recently by Steve Tucker, is the reliance of many modem manufacturers on third-party fax implementations, data pumps etc such as those from Agere/Lucent, Conexant etc. It's hard to build an error-free product when you don't build it from the ground up! In my experience, the market has generally been very accepting of fax class 2/2.x firmware problems. Perhaps it's hard to hold the manufacturer to task when you only paid $29.99 for something, or perhaps very few people actually watch their fax logs closely enough to see the problems. I'm not sure why, but just as OS vendors aren't commercially motivated to ship operating systems that are secure out of the box, modem manufacturers aren't commercially motivated to ship error-free class2 firmware implementations. My advice is to invest in a device whose primary! purpose is FAX if possible, and whose company owns (and is expert in) all of the core technology . Two examples of this are Brooktrout's TR1034 and EICON's Diva Server. If the price point for these is out of your reach, I recommend investing in a Multitech product, because they have shown an admirable commitment to improving the fax functionality of their analog modems. None of these solutions are cheap, and there's a reason for that. I don't buy the argument that the world owes you something that's both cheap and error free. There's a reason some consumer electronics, vehicles, etc are more expensive than others ... sometimes it's just clever marketing, but most of the time it's consumers paying the extra nickel for superior features, performance and/or reliability. > I blame the ITU / Global Engineering for super-expensive protocol/standards documentation. Don't blame them - they're better these days. Sign up for your three free!!! downloads from the ITU, and go write some fax code ;-) Better yet, help Lee complete his Class1 implementation and show them pesky modem folks how easy it is! ;-) -Darren -- Darren Nickerson Senior Sales & Support Engineer iFax Solutions, Inc. www.ifax.com darren.nickerson@xxxxxxxx +1.215.438.4638 office +1.215.243.8335 fax ____________________ HylaFAX(tm) Users Mailing List _______________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe, click http://lists.hylafax.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi On UNIX: mail -s unsubscribe hylafax-users-request@xxxxxxxxxxx < /dev/null *To learn about commercial HylaFAX(tm) support, mail sales@xxxxxxxxxxxx*