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Phil, guess what? as far as I can tell, I've finally got it to do what I wanted. I don't think this is a false start, I seem to get it to work under a variety of conditions. Here's what it does: 1-rejects all number <> 7 digits 2-strips away areacode, ldprefix (assumes countryprefix is the same), idprefix, parenthesis, and 911 calls. 3-only accepts destinations that are on the big island here. it gets a little creative, and probably wasn't really intended for what I'm using it for, but heck, it works! The critical files are: /var/spool/fax/etc/config /var/spool/fax/etc/dialrules /var/spool/fax/etc/destctrls.808 the key to making something like this to work seems to be the interaction with dialstring and canonical information. They determine what gets fed into destcontrols. The problem I was having dealt with the info that got fed into the destcontrols wasn't what I thought it was feeding. the last issue was there were no normal hooks to get it to accept only certain numbers, so I had to use the MaxTries feature (I could have used one of the other features, but that one was handy). That brings me to the last point --- how would you recommend that I open it to people here? via a fax page? Thanks, ken